Blue in the countryside (completely OT)

Forums: 
HI There I shouldn't really be posting this here - it's not really relevant to anything, but some of you have seen blue in the distance on beaches and ponds, and this was a shot I'm really proud of - I'm not sure why (not because of the dog), it has a kind of surreal feel to it which I really like. And he's a nice dog of course. View: original size Maybe it's just me.

How goes it in Nikon land?

Hi David Hope you're well Nikon land eh? well, it's like the Parson's egg really. The handling is splendid, the speed of everything and build quality are a bit of a revelation, the lack of soft corners/moire/green edges are certainly a bonus (although, let's be honest, they were mostly managed well). The colour is still proving a little too saturated and 'in your face' (though one of the few criticisms I've seen is that the colour is flat). Workflow is still not resolved - I'm using Bibble for conversion, and it's rather slow compated to photodesk, but that's at least partly due to familiarity (but I really do miss photodesk). I'm getting more comfortable with it, and there aren't any real nasties, resolution seems pretty much equivalent (I think it must have a rather weak AA filter). CA can be an issue (but it's usually blue rather than magenta). Basically, I'm not disappointed, but the jury is still out. kind regards

Jono Slack wrote: The colour is still proving a little too saturated and 'in your face' (though one of the few criticisms I've seen is that the colour is flat).
Hi Jono, This is a nice shot. Very natural colour, but i do know what the criticism was on about as I see that very slight greying down that i got with my S2. I suppose it's a matter of taste.
using Bibble for conversion, and it's rather slow compated to photodesk, but that's at least partly due to familiarity (but I really do miss photodesk).
How do you find Bibble? i was originally going to use it with my S2 but there was some factor that put me off - I wish i could remember what it was ;-( I'd be interested to hear your views on it. Flick.

Hi Flick As for the 'greying down' it's probably my post production - after much testing I'm not very convinced about the DR criticisms (this was certainly a tricky test). As for Bibble - I used to have version 3, and 4 is a great improvement, but compared to photodesk it's very sloooow. keep well kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Funny really - one thing Eric (Bibble) is always trumpeting is his software's speed... Haver you tried Rawshooter - I think it supports the D2x now - and it's still free at the moment. http://www.pixmantec.com/index2.html
Jono Slack wrote: Hi Flick As for the 'greying down' it's probably my post production - after much testing I'm not very convinced about the DR criticisms (this was certainly a tricky test). As for Bibble - I used to have version 3, and 4 is a great improvement, but compared to photodesk it's very sloooow. keep well kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Jono, Forgive me if I've asked you this before, but what type of hardware/os/ram are you running bibble on? On every configuration we've tested, bibble is easily 2-3x faster than photodesk for processing .dcr files. Eric

Eric wrote: Jono, Forgive me if I've asked you this before, but what type of hardware/os/ram are you running bibble on? On every configuration we've tested, bibble is easily 2-3x faster than photodesk for processing .dcr files.
HI Eric - sorry, this is misleading, as I was talking about speed with respect to D2x RAW files. But with photodesk and DCR files, it isn't the time taken to process the files (I'm sure Bibble does this quicker) - It's the way photodesk applies changes made to the files which is quicker - I then go make coffee whilst it processes - I suspect this may be partly due to my knowledge of the software, but I don't think so. I'm using a G4 1Ghz 17" powerbook with 1Gb RAM Kind Regards Jono p.s. I sent you a mail about the photoshop CS plugin crashing with multiple files - any ideas yet? more regards - you really do splendidly well to keep up around here, I'm most impressed.
Eric

Thanks for clarifying
Jono Slack wrote: Hi Flick As for the 'greying down' it's probably my post production - after much testing I'm not very convinced about the DR criticisms (this was certainly a tricky test). As for Bibble - I used to have version 3, and 4 is a great improvement, but compared to photodesk it's very sloooow. keep well kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Blue looks very handsome and dignified.
Flick wrote: How do you find Bibble? i was originally going to use it with my S2 but there was some factor that put me off - I wish i could remember what it was ;-(
Was it perhaps that highlights come out entirely the wrong color? That was the problem I had recently when I tried Bibble 4.2.

Hiya You sound slightly disappointed to me... Perhaps it's the cost and the fact that it didn't bring a resolution increase ? Or is it the software - You've decided not to stick with jpeg then? It's a great camera I'm sure, you just need to get into the swing a bit. I don't think I shall be following you this time - too costly. With the likes of the 350Xt at £600, the D2x is looking double the price that makes sense, despite the superb build and handling. It's an out and out pro camera IMO whilst consumer DSLRs are really looking remarkable value... We spent Easter in Scotland fixing up the shed. Finished the bedroom so I'm confident the place will be at least minimally habitable this summer and I;m looking forward to an actual holiday this year and a chance to throw the Kodak at subjects I bought it for - the Highlands and the lakes. We managed to fit in an afternoon in the Lakes on the way home and I actually shot a few landscapes at Ullswater and Honister - it only took a year to get some use out of the thing!

Hi David Disappointed isn't the right term - I love shooting with it, and generally speaking the results are fine - resolution really doesn't seem different. I think I'm being circumspect until I've learned it's foibles. Glad to hear about your shed - maybe we should do a swap sometime with our 'shed' near lands end! kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Bet your shed has turrets and a moat
Jono Slack wrote: Hi David Disappointed isn't the right term - I love shooting with it, and generally speaking the results are fine - resolution really doesn't seem different. I think I'm being circumspect until I've learned it's foibles. Glad to hear about your shed - maybe we should do a swap sometime with our 'shed' near lands end! kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

DMillier wrote: Bet your shed has turrets and a moat
well, at least, it has two chimney's and a septic tank! Kind Regards jono
Jono Slack wrote: Hi David Disappointed isn't the right term - I love shooting with it, and generally speaking the results are fine - resolution really doesn't seem different. I think I'm being circumspect until I've learned it's foibles. Glad to hear about your shed - maybe we should do a swap sometime with our 'shed' near lands end! kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

We have a pile of slate which will be a fireplace eventually and there is a wood burning stove & chimney with our name on it somewhere. The "septic tank" is, er, one of those made by Thetford unfortunately...
Jono Slack wrote:
DMillier wrote: Bet your shed has turrets and a moat
well, at least, it has two chimney's and a septic tank! Kind Regards jono
Jono Slack wrote: Hi David Disappointed isn't the right term - I love shooting with it, and generally speaking the results are fine - resolution really doesn't seem different. I think I'm being circumspect until I've learned it's foibles. Glad to hear about your shed - maybe we should do a swap sometime with our 'shed' near lands end! kind regards-- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

I'm using my laptop at the moment as Jeannette his busy sending her Sims to uni (or something) and it has such a wishy washy screen I really can't tell much about photos. I'll take a look when I can get my turn on the desktop!

Hi Jono, Like you said the Kodak was quirky but had 'something' - I agree and it was some of your lanscapes that influenced my purchase of the SLR/n. I too was thinking about the D2x like all of us for a long time as we all were waiting to see what the images would be like.When they finally appeared I was dissappointed to be honest. My friend (who also shoots models) bought one and we investigaed thoroughly based on our needs and I just dont like the images. Sad but true, something weird going on in the midtones like a 'compression' or something. I've been a nikon lens user for along time and would have liked to have loved the D2x and could have saved £3,000 if I did !! As you know I ended up with the Canon and it really has that WoW factor when I load in my images. a bit like when I see one of the 80mb scans from the RZ. best of luck Steve

Hi Steven
Steven (e.man) Emberton wrote: Hi Jono, Like you said the Kodak was quirky but had 'something' - I agree and it was some of your lanscapes that influenced my purchase of the SLR/n. I too was thinking about the D2x like all of us for a long time as we all were waiting to see what the images would be like.When they finally appeared I was dissappointed to be honest.
As you say, the quirky Kodak has something.
My friend (who also shoots models) bought one and we investigaed thoroughly based on our needs and I just dont like the images. Sad but true, something weird going on in the midtones like a 'compression' or something.
I felt a little like this to start with, but the truth is that there is a wealth of detail in those compressed mid-tones, and very little noise. I'm not convinced that the default curve in the camera is ideal, but it's certainly possible to get great images . . . . . but you do have to work at it.
I've been a nikon lens user for along time and would have liked to have loved the D2x and could have saved £3,000 if I did !! As you know I ended up with the Canon and it really has that WoW factor when I load in my images. a bit like when I see one of the 80mb scans from the RZ.
Well, the real bonus with the D2x is sharp corners without vignetting (I'm not convinced about full frame). There aren't any obvious 'gotchas' like there are with the Kodak, but on the other hand, to get the best out of it you really do need to nail the exposure, and some post processing seems necessary - but the WOW factor is certainly there. kind regards jono
best of luck Steve

Well, the real bonus with the D2x is sharp corners without vignetting (I'm not convinced about full frame). There aren't any obvious 'gotchas' like there are with the Kodak, but on the other hand, to get the best out of it you really do need to nail the exposure, and some post processing seems necessary - but the WOW factor is certainly there. kind regards jono
I agree with you about the issues with full frame but personally I like it, and 'soft corners' are not a concern for me as it just adds to the 'look' of the image for fashion but it may be an issue if I was shooting landscape.. Henri Cartier-Bresson was dubbed the greatest photog of the 20th Century with much distortion and soft corners in his Leica images. but the 'look' of those pics is beautiful. (some of which were landscapes btw) best wishes Steve

Steven (e.man) Emberton wrote:
Well, the real bonus with the D2x is sharp corners without vignetting (I'm not convinced about full frame). There aren't any obvious 'gotchas' like there are with the Kodak, but on the other hand, to get the best out of it you really do need to nail the exposure, and some post processing seems necessary - but the WOW factor is certainly there. kind regards jono
I agree with you about the issues with full frame but personally I like it, and 'soft corners' are not a concern for me as it just adds to the 'look' of the image for fashion but it may be an issue if I was shooting landscape..
HI Steve For my still life and macro stuff the full frame has it's advantages, but you're right, it's landscape which is the issue.
Henri Cartier-Bresson was dubbed the greatest photog of the 20th Century with much distortion and soft corners in his Leica images. but the 'look' of those pics is beautiful. (some of which were landscapes btw)
Of course - and if I was that good I could get away with soft corners too! Seriously though, the image is the important thing, not the technical expertise, but if you can have both . . . . . kind regards jono slack
best wishes Steve

While I hear very nice things about the D2X, I did want to comment on your very nice Flat Coat. I've owned one (an island in the sea of Curly Coats that we'd had), and I loved that dog to pieces. He was a terrific dog; a loyal, eager, and gentle friend to my young son. (And at least it's not a cat picture)

LOL well, I'm not so sure about the Gentle - when he want's a walk (every ten minutes) he is rather insistent. But you're right - he is loyal and eager - easy to train, intelligent, and at two, he has yet to growl at anyone or anything - a lovely dog. kind regards -- Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

Add new comment

Image
More information
  • Files must be less than 2 MB.
  • Allowed file types: png gif jpg jpeg.
Attachment
More information
  • Files must be less than 2 MB.
  • Allowed file types: zip rar.